Method and apparatus for combustion of gaseous or liquid fuel

ABSTRACT

A method and apparatus for combustion of fuel in a combustion chamber with a hydraulic diameter D. Fuel and a primary oxidant are introduced via a burner lance into the combustion chamber, having a certain mean velocity u 1  at entry, and a secondary oxidant with a mean velocity of u 2  is introduced into the combustion chamber. The burner lance has a position p that has a distance Id 1 I defined as the smallest distance between p and a combustion chamber centerline a

The invention relates to a method and its corresponding burner assemblyfor combustion of gaseous or liquid fuel in a combustion chamber whichcan have a cylindrical shape with a sectional diameter D whereby gaseousor liquid fuel as well as primary oxidant with a mean velocity of u₁ isintroduced via a burner lance (including a nozzle head) into thecombustion chamber.

Secondary oxidant with a mean velocity of u₂ is introduced via adowncomer into the combustion chamber. Certain industrial processes,such as heating a load in an attached furnace, rely on heat produced bythe combustion of fuel and oxidant. The fuel is typically natural gas oroil. The oxidant is typically air, vitiated air, oxygen, or air enrichedwith oxygen. The used burner assemblies typically feature a combustionchamber with at least one burner lance for introducing a gaseous orliquid fuel and primary oxidant and, optionally, a means of supply forsecondary oxidant, e.g. a downcomer for secondary air. According to thestate of the art the combustion chamber has a horizontal centerline, thedowncomer for secondary air has a vertical centerline at theintersection with the combustion chamber, and the burner lance has ahorizontal centerline and is located in the centerline of the combustionchamber at the closed end plate of the combustion chamber (see e.g. US2016/0201904 A1).

Out of the following reasons, a technological challenge in such burnerassemblies is a non-uniform temperature profile: At first, a non-uniformtemperature profile leads to thermal stress on the wall of thecombustion chamber. At second, hot-spots in the flame will increase theformation of NOx. Moreover, a non-uniform temperature profile in thecombustion chamber usually leads to a non-uniform temperature profile inthe attached furnace where a load is to be treated thermally. This inturn leads to a non-uniform product quality of the heat-treated load.

This last argument should be explained in more detail with regard to thepellet induration in iron ore pelletizing plants: Now, the pellet bedexhibits a non-uniform temperature distribution in horizontal direction,which is due to the local formation of hot zones in the furnace due toconvective heat transfer from the flame inside the combustion chamber.Since the flame occupies only a limited space and the surrounding spaceis occupied by colder secondary air from the downcomer, a hugetemperature gradient can be observed along the radius of the combustionchamber at its intersection with the furnace as well as across the widthof the furnace itself. With the hot zones being in the center of thefurnace, i.e. of the pellet bed, a large variation in the quality of thepellets over the width of the furnace is created.

Typically, a reduction of NOx emissions should be achieved by injectinga mixture of oxidant and fuel. Document U.S. Pat. No. 8,202,470 B2describes a burner assembly of an indurating furnace with an air passageleading to the heating station. A draft of preheated recirculation airis driven through a passage towards the heating station, and is mixedwith fuel gas to form a combustible mixture that ignites in the passage.This is accomplished by injecting the fuel gas into the passage in astream that does not form a combustible mixture with the preheatedrecirculation air before entering the passage.

Document WO 2015/018438 A1 teaches a burner assembly wherein combustionair is injected into the combustion chamber such that it passes theburner and is then deflected such that the flow of preheated combustionair and the smaller flows of fuel and primary air are flowing mainly inparallel from the burner to the furnace of the mixer tubes into thecombustion chamber to mix with the combustion air.

However, the described solutions do not prevent parts of the combustionchamber suffering from high local thermal stress. Also, these documentsare not dealing with the basic effect of a temperature gradient, but tryto avoid very high temperature hot-spots as cause for high NOx emissionsonly.

Therefore, it is the object of the invention to create a more uniformgas temperature in the complete furnace.

This problem is solved with a method according to claim 1.

Such a method comprises the introduction of gaseous or liquid fuel andprimary oxidant into a combustion chamber through a burner lance. Eachof the fluids in the burner lance, e.g. fuel and primary oxidant, isintroduced with a certain velocity, whereby one stream can be fasterthan the other (at the entry into the combustion chamber). The meanvelocity in the burner lance at the entry into the combustion chamber isdefined as u₁. Further, a secondary oxidant is introduced via adowncomer into the combustion chamber, featuring a mean velocity u₂ (atthe entry into the combustion chamber). The combustion chamber istypically cylinder-shaped with a sectional diameter D and symmetric to acenterline (it can also have other shapes).

Preferably, u₁ is bigger than u₂. Most preferably, the ratio u₁/u₂ isbetween 0.1 and 20.0.

It is the essential part of the invention that the burner lance isadjusted in a position p (measured from the tip of the burner lance)such that position p has a distance |d₁| defined as the smallestdistance between p and the combustion chamber centerline. Moreover, thedistance |d₁| from position p to the intersection point i of thedowncomer centerline (at the part of the downcomer next to theintersection area S) and the contact surface of combustion chamber anddowncomer is smaller than the distance |d_(c)|. Distance |d_(c)| isdefined as the distance from the intersection of the combustion chambercenterline and the shortest connection between p and the combustionchamber centerline a to the intersection i of the downcomer centerlineand the intersection area S of combustion chamber and downcomer.

It is preferred that that the burner lance is arranged in a position psuch that position p has a smallest distance |d₁| to the combustionchamber centerline whereby |d₁| defined as

${d_{1}} = {\left\lbrack {1 - \left( {d \cdot \frac{u_{1}}{u_{2}}} \right)^{\frac{1}{4}}} \right\rbrack \cdot {\frac{D}{2}.}}$

The mean velocity u₁ is defined as

${u_{1} = \frac{\sum\limits_{i = 1}^{n}\; {v_{i}^{2} \cdot \rho_{i} \cdot A_{i}}}{{\overset{.}{m}}_{ges}}},$

whereby v_(i) is the velocity of each separate fluid in the burnerlance, ρ_(i) is the density of each separate fluid in the burner lance,A_(i) is the cross-section for the flow of each separate fluid in theburner lance at the entry of the burner lance into the combustionchamber and {dot over (m)}_(ges) is the overall mass flow in the burnerlance. Separate fluids in the burner lance can for example be: fuel,primary air, cooling air, shield air or a mixture of primary air andfuel.

Preferably, position p has a smallest distance |d₁|, whereby d₁ has apositive sign, to the combustion chamber centerline with

${d_{1} = {\left\lbrack {1 - \left( {d \cdot \frac{u_{1}}{u_{2}}} \right)^{\frac{1}{4}}} \right\rbrack \cdot \frac{D}{2}}},$

whereby d is in the range of 0.05 to 0.15.

Computational fluid dynamics (CFD) simulations have shown that byrepositioning the lance into the position p according to the invention,a temperature gradient ent |Δt| with|ΔT|=T_(pelletbedsurface,max)−T_(pelletbedsurface,min) of less than 10Kwas found. This is much lower than in the state of the art, where |ΔT|typically amounts to 40K. The reason for the improvement is theinteraction of the flame and the recirculation zone in the combustionchamber.

By positioning the burner lance to a higher position p relative to thecombustion chamber centerline in the sense that the distance between thelower end of the downcomer and the centerline of the burner lance isreduced, a flame deflection can be induced. This deflection is caused ina recirculation zone due to the preheated secondary oxidant redirectionfrom the downcomer to the combustion chamber. The flame which is placedat a slightly higher location in accordance with the invention due tothe repositioned burner lance gets sucked in by the recirculation zoneand finally deflected. This deflection in turn modifies the angle underwhich the resulting hot flue gas meets the flue gas from the oppositelyplaced combustion chamber. According to the state of the art the flowpath of the hottest part of the flue gas in the furnace is directeddownwards, according to the invention it is directed upwards.

A further benefit of the invention is a temperature reduction at thehottest part of the combustion chamber wall: At standard configurationsaccording to the state of the art, higher temperatures at the combustionchamber bottom wall are found, caused by a certain flame deflectioninside the combustion chamber towards its bottom. The configurationaccording to the invention leads to a significantly bigger flamedistance to the bottom wall, and thus the bottom wall temperature isreduced. This reduces the risk of thermal damages and may even allow foran increase of the burner capacity.

The invention claims the new burner lance placement with thenon-dimensional factor d being in a range of 0.05 to 0.15, preferably inthe range of 0.075 to 0.125 and most preferably in the range of 0.09 to0.11. For a typical use of burner assembly according to the state of theart with a burner lance in the centerline of the combustion chamber thefactor d would be in the range from 0.2 to 0.3.

If the factor d exceeds 0.15, then the distance between flame andrecirculation zone is too big, consequently no flame deflection takesplace. If the factor d is lower than 0.05, then the distance betweenflame and recirculation zone is too small, consequently the gastemperature in the recirculation zone increases strongly. Consequently,the upper wall temperature rises what may cause thermal damages.

It is preferred that the mean velocity u₁ is less than 200 m/s,preferably in a range between 70 and 140 m/s. Thereby, a reasonablepressure drop in the lance or the lance head is achieved as well aslower NOx formation.

Moreover, according to the invention it is preferred to introduce thesecondary oxidant into the combustion chamber with a mean velocity u₂between 10 and 35 m/s to ensure a good distribution of the fuel.

In principal, each gas with any oxygen content can be used as anoxidant. However, air or air enriched with oxygen is most common due tocost reasons. The following description relates to air as the primaryand secondary oxidant.

Another relevant parameter is the total air ratio λ with

$\lambda = \frac{{\overset{.}{m}}_{air}}{{\overset{.}{m}}_{stoich}}$

whereby {dot over (m)}_(air) is the overall massflow of injected air(primary and secondary air) and {dot over (m)}_(stoich) is the airmassflow needed for a stoichiometric reaction with the injected fuel.Preferably, λ is in the range of 1.2 to 12, preferably 2 to 6.5.

Out of the same reasons, the primary air ratio λ_(prim) with

$\lambda_{prim} = \frac{{\overset{.}{m}}_{{air}\text{-}{prim}}}{{\overset{.}{m}}_{stoich}}$

is in the range of 0.05 to 2 whereby {dot over (m)}_(air-prim) is themass flow of injected primary air.

A typical burner lance has a capacity in the range of 2 and 6 MW. Thisenables the use in typical industrial furnaces.

The invention also covers a burner assembly with the features of claim10.

Such a burner assembly comprises a cylinder-shaped, rectangular orotherwise shaped combustion chamber with a centerline and a hydraulicdiameter D. At least one burner lance is used as a supply for gaseous orliquid fuel and primary oxidant with a mean velocity u₁ and onedowncomer as a supply for secondary oxidant with a mean velocity u₂.

It is the essential part of the invention that the burner lance isadjusted in a position p (measured from the tip of the burner lance)such that position p has a distance |d₁| defined as the smallestdistance between p and the combustion chamber centerline. Moreover, thedistance |d₁| from position p to the intersection of the downcomercenterline and the intersection area S of combustion chamber anddowncomer is smaller than the distance |d_(c)|. Distance |d_(c)| isdefined as the distance from the intersection of the combustioncenterline and the shortest connection between p and the combustionchamber centerline a to the intersection point i of the downcomercenterline and the intersection area S of combustion chamber anddowncomer.

It is preferred that that the burner lance is arranged in a position psuch that position p has a smallest distance |d₁| to the combustionchamber centerline whereby |d₁| defined as

${d_{1}} = {\left\lbrack {1 - \left( {d \cdot \frac{u_{1}}{u_{2}}} \right)^{\frac{1}{4}}} \right\rbrack \cdot {\frac{D}{2}.}}$

The mean velocity u₁ is defined as

${u_{1} = \frac{\sum\limits_{i = 1}^{n}\; {v_{i}^{2} \cdot \rho_{i} \cdot A_{i}}}{{\overset{.}{m}}_{ges}}},$

whereby v_(i) is the velocity of each separate fluid in the burnerlance, ρ_(i) is the density of each separate fluid in the burner lance,A_(i) is the cross-section for the flow of each separate fluid in theburner lance at the entry of the burner lance into the combustionchamber and {dot over (m)}_(ges) is the overall mass flow in the burnerlance.

By including an inclination angle α of the burner lance to thecombustion chamber centerline, the positive effect of the recirculationzone on the flame behavior and on the temperature distribution in thefurnace can be amplified. This inclination angle α should not exceedvalues larger than 12°, preferably it should be smaller than 10°, sinceotherwise the flame would get in direct contact with the uppercombustion chamber wall. In the most preferred case the inclinationangle α is chosen in such a way that the burner lance, respectivelynozzle head is pointing into the direction of the downcomer.

Typically, the combustion chamber diameter D lies between 0.5 and 1.8 m,so it fits well to industrial furnaces.

Most preferred at least two, preferably arranged symmetrically, burnerassemblies are designed according to any of claims 11 to 13 in a pelletinduration furnace. By inducing a swirl in the furnace, mixing can beenhanced and therefore even more homogeneous temperature profiles can beobtained. This in turn improves the uniformity of the pellet quality.The swirl is induced by a modified impingement angle of the hotcombustion gases stemming from two oppositely placed combustionchambers. The modified impingement angle itself is a result of a highersituated burner lance (fuel and primary oxidant), which leads to a flamebending due to partial interference of the flame with the recirculationzone placed on the upper combustion chamber wall.

The hot gases from the flame are redirected several times due tosymmetry planes to the next burner in one row as well as impingement onthe furnace walls. This creates a huge swirl system leading to enhancedflow mixing and finally to a uniform temperature distribution of theflue gas above the pellet bed. The recirculation zone, which deflectsthe flame, does thereby not get heated up significantly by hot flamegases.

The hot zone can hereby be moved from the symmetry plane of the furnacetowards the side walls of the furnace. This is of advantage, because theheat losses are higher in the vicinity of the furnace side walls ascompared to the symmetry plane of the furnace.

The invented new position of the burner lance can be easily realized byinstalling appropriate burner assemblies, which is why also existingplants can be optimized. The implementation of this invention isespecially much more economic than other possible approaches in existingplants, because the arrangement of the downcomer can remain as it isaccording to the state of the art, i.e. with a vertical centerline inits lower portion. This typically results in a 90° angle between thecenterline of the lower portion of the downcomer and the combustionchamber centerline, because typically the combustion chamber has ahorizontal centerline.

The lower part of the downcomer itself does not have to align with thecombustion chamber with an angle of 90° but can be also inclined,leading to angles smaller or larger than 90°. The exact value of theinclination does not matter, as the recirculation zone will be createdunder a wide range of possible inclination angles. However, changing theangle of the downcomer in an existing pellet induration furnace ishardly possible because of space and cost limitations.

The invention will now be described in more detail on the basis of thefollowing description of preferred embodiments and the drawings. Allfeatures described or illustrated form the subject matter of theinvention, independent of their combination in the claims or their backreference. In detail, the state of the art design will be compared tothe modified design by means of drawings explaining the modified flamebehavior, the swirling effect as well as the development of hot and coldzones at the oven outlet.

In the drawings:

FIG. 1 shows a design of a pellet induration furnace according to thestate of the art focusing on flow conditions,

FIG. 2 shows a design of a pellet induration furnace according to thestate of the art focusing on the temperature profile in the furnace,

FIG. 3 shows a first design of a pellet induration furnace according tothe invention focusing on flow conditions,

FIG. 4 shows a first design of a pellet induration furnace according tothe invention focusing on the temperature profile in the furnace,

FIG. 5 shows a second design of a pellet induration furnace according tothe invention focusing on flow conditions,

FIG. 6 shows a second design of a pellet induration furnace according tothe invention focusing on the temperature profile in the furnace.

FIG. 1 shows a typical design of a pellet induration furnace, especiallyof an iron ore pellet induration furnace, according to the state of theart. A burner assembly 1 according to the state of the art, e.g. US2016/0201904 A1 is shown in a sectional view.

The burner assembly 1 features a combustion chamber 2 beingcylindrical-shaped with a sectional diameter D, and, therefore, beingsymmetrical around its centerline a. The combustion chamber 2 works as aflame-reaction space.

On the left side of FIG. 1, the combustion chamber 2 opens into afurnace 3. On the opposite side, a burner lance 4 is positioned atposition o. As FIG. 1 depicts the situation known from the state of theart, position o is located on the centerline a, resulting in thedistance |d₁| being equal to 0.

Furnace 3 is designed such that two burner assemblies, on oppositepositions are used, which is indicted by the symmetry plane b.

Via the burner lance 4, liquid or gaseous fuel as well as a primaryoxidant, preferably air, are injected into the combustion chamber 2.Typically, also a control unit or equipment (not shown) is provided forcontrolling the supplies of fuel and primary air into the combustionchamber.

The majority of oxidant is typically injected via a downcomer 5 throughwhich secondary oxidant, e.g. preheated air, is flowing downwards intothe combustion chamber 2. The lower part of the downcomer features acenter line c next to its intersection area S with the combustionchamber 2. The intersection of the center line c and the intersectionarea S is defined as position. As shown via arrows 11, the secondaryoxidant is passing the burner lance 4 and the flame 7 before it iscreating a recirculation zone 12.

Inside the furnace 3, the flue gas coming from the combustion chamber 2is flowing downwards (shown via arrows 13), e.g. Into the pellet bed 6.

In FIG. 2, basically the same structure is used. However, instead of gasstream lines, FIG. 2 shows a simplified temperature profile in thefurnace, e.g. above a pellet bed 6. Thereby, T₁ indicates a hot zonewhile T₂ Indicates a colder zone. Typically a difference of at least 40K is found between these two zones.

In comparison, FIG. 3 shows the same burner and furnace assemblyaccording to the invention. As described, the burner lance 4 ispositioned in the position p with its smallest distance |d₁| to thecenterline a of the combustion chamber 2, where d₁ is defined as

${d_{1} = {\left\lbrack {1 - \left( {d \cdot \frac{u_{1}}{u_{2}}} \right)^{\frac{1}{4}}} \right\rbrack \cdot \frac{D}{2}}},$

whereby d is in the range of 0.05 to 0.15. In case d₁ ends up with apositive sign, position p is always closer to the downcomer than in thecase it ends up with a negative sign.

As shown in FIG. 3, the flame 7 interacts with the recirculation zone12, so highly turbulent flow conditions are found in furnace 3.

As a result, a better mixing of the gas flow is achieved inside thefurnace 3, which is why FIG. 4 shows a more homogenous temperatureprofile, symbolized by a nearly identical size of T₁ (hot zone) and T₂(colder zone) with a difference in CFD simulations of maximum 10 Kbetween T₁ and T₂.

FIGS. 5 and 6 correspond to FIGS. 3 and 4, but shows an inclined burnerlance. The inclination angle α is measured between the centerline a ofthe combustion chamber and the centerline of the burner lance 4.

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-   1 burner assembly-   2 combustion chamber-   3 furnace-   4 burner lance-   downcomer-   6 pellet bed-   7 flame-   11 flow of the secondary oxidant-   12 recirculation zone-   13 flow of the gas in the furnace-   T₁ Temperature in the hot zone-   T₂ Temperature in the colder zone-   a centerline of the combustion chamber-   α Inclination angle-   b symmetry plane of the furnace-   c centerline of the downcomer (next to the intersection area S)-   D sectional diameter of the combustion chamber-   d dimensionless factor-   |d₁| smallest distance of position p to the combustion chamber    centerline a-   i intersection of the downcomer centerline c and the intersection    area S of combustion chamber and downcomer-   o position of the burner lance according to the state of the art-   p position of the burner lance according to the invention-   S intersection area of combustion chamber (2) and downcomer (5)-   u₁ mean velocity in the burner lance at the entry to the combustion    chamber-   u₂ mean velocity of the secondary oxidant in the downcomer

1.-14. (canceled)
 15. A method for combustion of gaseous or liquid fuelin a combustion chamber with a hydraulic diameter D, whereby the fuel aswell as the primary oxidant are introduced via a burner lance into thecombustion chamber, whereby fuel and primary oxidant have a certain meanvelocity u₁ at the entry from the burner lance into the combustionchamber, whereby the mean velocity u₁ is defined as${u_{1} = \frac{\sum\limits_{i = 1}^{n}\; {v_{i}^{2} \cdot \rho_{i} \cdot A_{i}}}{{\overset{.}{m}}_{ges}}},$whereby v_(i) is the velocity of each separate fluid in the burnerlance, ρ_(i) is the density of each separate fluid in the burner lance,A_(i) is the cross-section for the flow of each separate fluid in theburner lance at the entry of the burner lance into the combustionchamber and {dot over (m)}_(ges) is the overall mass flow in the burnerlance and whereby a secondary oxidant with a mean velocity of u₂ isintroduced via a downcomer into the combustion chamber, wherein theburner lance is arranged in a position p measured from the tip of theburner lance such that position p has a distance |d₁| defined as thesmallest distance between p and a combustion chamber centerline a, thatthe burner lance is arranged such that the distance |d₁| from position pto an intersection point I of a downcomer centerline and an intersectionarea S of combustion chamber and downcomer is smaller than the distance|d_(c)| from the intersection of the combustion chamber centerline a andthe shortest connection between p and the combustion chamber centerlinea to the intersection point i of the downcomer centerline c and theintersection area S of combustion chamber and downcomer, that the burnerlance is arranged in a position p such that position p has a smallestdistance |d₁| to the combustion chamber centerline a whereby the valueof |d₁| is defined as${d_{1}} = {\left\lbrack {1 - \left( {d \cdot \frac{u_{1}}{u_{2}}} \right)^{\frac{1}{4}}} \right\rbrack \cdot \frac{D}{2}}$and that d is in the range of 0.05 to 0.15.
 16. The method according toclaim 15, wherein the d is in the range of 0.09 to 0.11.
 17. The methodaccording to claim 15, wherein the primary and/or the secondary oxidantis air.
 18. The method according to claim 15, wherein the mean velocityu₁ is less than 200 m/s.
 19. The method according to claim 15, whereinthe secondary oxidant is introduced into the combustion chamber with amean velocity u₂ between 10 and 35 m/s.
 20. The method according toclaim 15, wherein the total air ratio λ with$\lambda = \frac{{\overset{.}{m}}_{air}}{{\overset{.}{m}}_{stoich}}$ isin the range of 1.2 and 12.0.
 21. The method according to claim 15,wherein the primary air ratio λ_(prim) with$\lambda_{prim} = \frac{{\overset{.}{m}}_{{air}\text{-}{prim}}}{{\overset{.}{m}}_{stoich}}$is in the range of 0.05 and 2.0.
 22. The method according to claim 15,wherein the burner lance has a fuel capacity in the range of 2 and 6 MW.23. A burner assembly comprising a combustion chamber with a centerlinea. a hydraulic diameter D, a burner lance to introduce fuel and primaryinto the combustion chamber, whereby the mean velocity u₁ is defined as${u_{1} = \frac{\sum\limits_{i = 1}^{n}\; {v_{i}^{2} \cdot \rho_{i} \cdot A_{i}}}{{\overset{.}{m}}_{ges}}},$whereby v_(i) is the velocity of each separate fluid in the burnerlance, ρ_(i) is the density of each separate fluid in the burner lance,A_(i) is the cross-section for the flow of each separate fluid in theburner lance at the entry of the burner lance into the combustionchamber and {dot over (m)}_(ges) is the overall mass flow in the burnerlance, whereby the burner assembly adapted such that fuel and primaryoxidant have a certain mean velocity u₁ at the entry from the burnerlance into the combustion chamber, measured from the tip of the burnerand a downcomer adapted to introduce a secondary oxidant with a meanvelocity of u₂ into the combustion chamber, wherein the burner lance isarranged in a position p measured from the tip of the burner lance suchthat position p has a distance |d₁| defined as the smallest distancebetween p and a combustion chamber centerline (a), that the burner lanceis arranged such that the distance |d₁| from position p to anintersection point (i) of a downcomer centerline (c) and an intersectionarea (S) of combustion chamber and downcomer is smaller than thedistance |d_(c)| from the intersection point (i) of the combustioncenterline (a) and the shortest connection between p and the combustionchamber centerline (a) to the intersection point (i) of the downcomercenterline (c) and the intersection area (S) of combustion chamber anddowncomer, that the burner lance is arranged in a position p such thatposition p has a smallest distance |d₁| to the combustion chambercenterline whereby the value |d₁| is defined as${d_{1}} = {\left\lbrack {1 - \left( {d \cdot \frac{u_{1}}{u_{2}}} \right)^{\frac{1}{4}}} \right\rbrack \cdot \frac{D}{2}}$and that d is in the range of 0.05 to 0.15.
 24. The burner assemblyaccording to claim 23, wherein the burner lance is arranged at an angleα of maximum 12° to the combustion chamber centerline a.
 25. The burnerassembly according to claim 23, wherein the burner lance points towardsthe downcomer.
 26. The burner assembly according claim 23, wherein thecombustion chamber's diameter D lies between 0.5 and 1.8 m.